WBAI Radio Interview 022 -- 1984 This issue is a partial transcription of a WBAI radio interview with E.J. Gold and Mary Houston. It focuses mainly on the waking and sleeping states of the machine. E.J. talks about the chronic--the machine's defense mechanism against the waking state--explaining how the sleeping state dominates the machine and how the waking state can be produced. He is also unusually candid about his childhood, his family background and his own discovery of work ideas as a young man in New York.